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- Dave Raggett writes:
- | Perhaps we need some structuring elements which determine how a
- | group of related documents can be sequenced into a form suitable
- | for printing, along with a way of automatically generating a table
- | of contents, and an index.
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- In response, Daniel Kehoe writes:
- | >From this point of view, it seems a bad idea to include "structuring
- | elements" inside documents that tie them together for printing (if
- | that's what you were suggesting),
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- I agree that the idea of "structuring elements" specific to printing is
- a bad idea. It seems to be just another way of sneaking presentation
- information into the DTD, something which many seem to agree is a bad idea.
-
- There are many different possible approaches to searching the web and
- extracting subsets of it for various purposes. As architects of the hypertext
- infrastructure, our job is to provide an information architecture rich enough
- to support any search/pruning method. We should avoid imposing any particular
- interpretation upon the information, but rather enable others to apply their
- own interpretations as they see fit. The author of a document may choose to
- publish one or more default organizations along with the information itself,
- and readers may choose to select an alternate organization. So, all we need
- in HTML is a *general* way of specifying relationships between documents, which
- is what we already have in the REL attribute.
-
- Note that the list of HTML link relationships is not part of the HTML
- standard (see http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/Relationships.html).
- This is good and allows for different standard "sets" of relationship values
- to be defined and used. I am reminded of the "element sets" referred to as
- part of ANSI Z39.50 (ISO 10162/10163). That standard does not require that all
- clients or servers support any specific element set. Rather, each registered
- element set has a unique name; the client and server neogiate on the element
- set(s) to be used in a session. Several archetypal element sets are defined for
- well-defined domains such as bibliographic references, but the protocol itself
- does not limit the definition of element sets in general. In fact, Z39.50
- servers can use ASN.1 to describe element sets to clients who would otherwise
- not recognize those sets.
-
- Similarly, relationship-sets could be defined for some archetypal forms
- which we all use and understand (journals, books, programs, etc.). For
- instance, while we certainly would like the capability to break out the
- chapters and other components of a book, it doesn't make sense to speak
- of a "chapter" of an animation any more than it does to reference a "frame"
- of a book. So, we use different sets of relationship attributes for different
- types of data. Perhaps we should add a relationship-set specification to the
- document header. Something like,
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- <HEADER> <REL-SET NAME="US Book 153.5"> </HEADER>
-
- If we allowed relationship-set specification within an anchor tag, then we
- could support the use of mulitple relationship-sets within a single document.
- For example,
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- <A HREF="http://foo/bar" REL-SET="CERN" REL="Made,REV">Dr. Elmer J. Fudd</A>
- <A HREF="http://foo/bar" REL-SET="ISO-Journal 101" REL="ABSTRACT">Abstract</A>
- ARTICLE TEXT HERE
- <A HREF="http://foo/bar" REL-SET="US-MARC" REL="BIBLIO">References</A>
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- Of course, once we start using different relationship sets, a client may come
- across a document containing relationships which it doesn't know about. This
- could be solved using ASN.1 just as is done in Z39.50.
-
- An alternative approach would be to use multiple DTD's. Why not just
- incorporate generic SGML parsing into the browsers and have many "variants" of
- HTML. We could provide a mechanism in the protocol for requesting the URL of
- the DTD corresponding to the structure of some other URL and then use that DTD
- to interpret the incoming document. That is, when the user activates a link
- to some document, we contact the server specified in the HREF of that link and
- rather than requesting the item referenced in the URL, we request the DTD
- describing the tags contained in the referenced item. The server then would
- either return the DTD, or a URL for that DTD. Once we have parsed and perhaps
- cached the DTD, we would then request the referenced item and process it
- accordingly. (I hope my ignorance of SGML isn't showing too badly here)
-
- Chris
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